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Fuck..............the
Pagans. These stories are gonna come, but man they are buried
way deep inside. They dig down into what the fuck I became and
believed in and they are numerous and crazy. It is a fucked
up tale I guess, to look back and think the Pagans, Mike Hudson,
Bill DeGidio, Johnny Rotten and John Belushi were the beacons
of light in my boy turns to man years! I turned 18 in late '78
and it was a great time to do so, especially from a musical
point of view. Everything in my gut was raging and my world
was spinning inside out. I feel that Alice Cooper's song "Eighteen"
is a masterpiece. It totally captures that moment in a young
male's life. There is no way to understand it at the time of
being 18 but as you age and then think about the lyrics, they
paint the truest picture of what I can remember feeling back
then. So where the hell am I anyhow in this self revealing moment?
I think somewhere around the time in early '78 that Randy Primozic
brings the Ramones "Rockaway Beach" 45 over along with the Pagans
"What's This Shit Called Love" 45. After that, it was over.
I had something like 150 albums of WMMS influenced buying habits
(Zep, Fleetwood Mac, J. Geils, Nugent...you get the picture)
and realized I could never again listen to them. I piled them
all into the back of Randy's old Skylark and we headed to the
Record Exchange in Coventry. Naturally, they fucked me on the
trade.....I think I ended up with about 20 LP's in return, but
I didn't give a shit. Now I had things like the Damned and Patti
Smith and the Dolls and the Stooges and more. Then it just kept
washing over me like a raging sea....Pistols, Clash, Buzzcocks.
I had this girlfriend around that time, I am living in Painesville.
I find out the Pagans and Dead Boys are playing the Painesville
Agora. There was a great pizza joint next to that Agora, called
Angelos. We went up there around 5pm to get a pie and I was
gonna pick up some tickets for that nights show. I remember
seeing the Pagans unloading equipment from a car, it's broad
daylight and it's Painesville. Their look blew my mind........I
ate that pizza with that girl and then we broke up. She wanted
nothing to do with people that looked like that. Myself.....I
wanted nothing more to do with people that didn't. That night
is still one of the best shows I ever saw.....Pagans/Dead Boys...late
'78.
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The
first time I saw the Pagans was at Hideos in what I'm damn sure
was the late fall of 1977. There were no more than 20 folks
in the place, including me and my traveling pal, Brandon.
Brandon and I were cooks together at Sambos in Mentor, and after
work, we smoked 5 joints and drove to Lakewood to catch their
set. We got there hoping to buy some records before the show,
but Dromette, being the clever merchant that made him eventual
millions, had covered the record bins with painting tarps...
All the bins were pushed to one side and people were just sort
of milling about. For some reason I want to say that Bernie
played a quick set to warm things up... It seemed he always
did...
Bernie or not, the Pagans came out in a rage and blistered through
a 25 minute set. At the end Mike H. was on the ground spitting
up something (I don't know if he was doing it because he was
sick or for the effect), Alee rolled his eyes and blew outta
there pretty quick, tossing his bass into an import bin on the
way toward the back, Metoff and Brian Hudson just sort of disappeared
behind the makeshift stage curtain (strung up bed sheets).
The main thing I took from the set, which was my first live
view of the punk deal, was the intimidation factor. Alee had
a little beef on him, but the rest of the guys were average
sized. Nonetheless, I was scared shitless of the whole thing.
Not necessarily of them, but of the havoc of the sound.. And
fuck man... this shit was happening in my backyard. I ended
up seeing many, many shows over the next few years, and even
playing in a few, but that's the night I'll take to my grave...
The night the edge came...
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still can't remember the year ( I think late 76), but the show
will live in my mind forever, as will the criminal activity
which followed after the show. It all started when my brother
Bill (aka Robert Conn) told me our buddies were in a band called
the Pagans and they were going to play a gig at the Andrews
School for Girls, wow. The girls were everywhere and the teaching
staff had this look on their faces that hell had just walked
through the door. They were not expecting what was to come.
I still can picture Mike Hudson screaming "what's this shit
called love" into the crowd, those chicks didn't know whether
to cry or orgasm. Needless to say, they did not get to finish
the set. As for after the show, I was so fucked up that I ran
my 1965 Opal Cadet into the rail-road crossing sign on Stevens
road, and the fuckin' Eastlake police followed my tire tracks
(fucking snow) to my house and arrested me, those fucks! (Russ
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in the summer of '79 (not to be confused with Bryan Adams Summer
of '69), I was gainfully employed by Painesville City Cemetary
& Parks division. What I mainly did was cut grass and dig and
fill graves at the city's two graveyards. I traded a bass amp
to Joe Lunder that summer for a car. I know it was a Dodge and
I know it was a '67 model. It was the biggest car I have ever
owned. I think it was a Polaris or something like that. One
day, I bought a bunch of black spray paint and just painted
the whole thing black. Then I took some pink spray paint and
spelled out "The Pagans" with it on both rear quarter panels.
Little did I know at the time, that two friends of mine (Courtney
and Keith) were out that same night spray painting the Pagans
name all over the place in Painesville. Their targets included
quite a few spots located within the city's parks. Anyhow, the
next morning I pull into work with this big, ugly Pagans mobile.
All the old timers are looking at it, just shaking their heads.
Then we set off to work. Now, my friends Pagan grafitti is being
discovered everywhere. My fellow employees (and boss!) never
once believed my story that I had nothing to do with it, and
it wasn't long before my career there came to a grinding halt.
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My thoughts on the Pagans "What's This
Shit Called Love/Street Where Nobody Lives" 45. All one needs
to know is this is some of the most savage and crazed punk rock
ever created. The Pagans took the 1-2-3-4 premise established
by the Ramones and brought it full throttle. Their vocalist,
Mike Hudson, had one of the all-time great throats: a violent
throat, a raspy throat - a throat that gave distinct voice to
every pissed-off sentiment lurking in the wounded hearts of
young adults in 1978. "What's This Shit Called Love" belongs
on its own shelf at the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, perhaps
playing as an endless 3 minute-loop right next to the Flower
Power exhibit. As often happened, the Pagans were never able
to generate much of a "fan base" during their heyday, but 'my',
how people have come around.
(Jay Hinman editor/writer of SUPERDOPE
'zine) |
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I had the good fortune to catch the Pagans many times in
the late 70's. The show that sticks out in my mind most was
when Patti Smith made an appearance at the Drome. Patti was
in town to play the Palace Theatre that night, and was doing
an in store appearance. However, while in our fair town, some
evil Clevelander stole her beloved clarinet. She took the opportunity
to rant and whine about the loss of said clarinet, condescending
to us poor dumb Clevelanders, begging for its safe return or
for someone to give her another. She left the pedestal a seemingly
emotional mess.
Enter the Pagans, Mike Hudsons first words "Ugh, someone
stole all our equipment, we cant play with no equipment, someone
please give us some amps." I loved it. After her "you
poor dumb Clevelanders" tirade, Hudson gave it back like
"you sorry ass New Yorker." Ahh, Punk bands from Cleveland,
no apologies. The Pagans then proceeded to rip and roar thru
a chainsaw set, Hudson's whiskey and cigarettes voice wailing
over the top. Twenty minutes of mayhem - no thank yous, no goodbyes.
Guitars crashed to the floor and they were gone. In case you're
wondering what happened to that clarinet, I hid that uncomfortable
piece of metal up my ass for 22 years. I'm putting it up for
sale on e-bay tomorrow if you're interested.
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In May of 1983, I was on thirty days home leave after three
years in the Rangers. My next duty station was Berlin. Back
then, Bill DeGidio (aka Robert Conn) and I hung around a lot
together. Bill was playing bass and the Pagans opened for the
Ramones at the Agora. The thought of being back stage with the
Ramones was really cool and we were excited about the idea of
partying with Dee Dee. But it never happened. The whole time,
they stayed back in this separate room.
It's kind of embarrassing to admit but Bill and I were like
kids peeking through the nail holes of the door that separated
the rooms between the openers (Pagans) and the featured act
(Joey and company). It could have been a scene out of "Rock-n-roll
High School."
The show was high energy. The Pink Album had just been released
with the Sam Petrello cover (same design he used for t-shirts
back in the days of Mentor High School graphic arts). The highlight
was Mike's dance during (appropriately) "Boy can I dance
good." His contortions defied human skeletal form. Out
of five times seeing the Ramones from 1977 to 1983, I think
this was the only Ramones show I ever saw where the opening
band got equal crowd response [can't count the '77 Music Hall
show though, since they were the opener for Iggy's "Lust
for Life" Tour].
A few days later, Bill and I stopped over at Mike Hudson's place.
For fifty dollars, Mike gave me a box of the Pink Album (50
or so copies) along with a dozen Cleveland Confidentials (the
LP). Then Bill gave me a shitload Defnics 45s [51% and Hello
from Berlin]. My plan was to take them to Berlin and get them
exposure over there. Who the fuck knew what I was thinking.
I didn't even speak German.
Sometime around August, I took all but a few personal copies
to a record store downtown. Offered them in trade. The guy behind
the counter seemed cool. He even played them in the store to
sample the music. Well, of course, a song title like "Hello
from Berlin" would catch his eye. What I hadn't anticipated
(call me dumb-shit on this account) was the reaction to the
Hitler speech intro. This guy nearly had a fucking canary on
the spot, scrambling to take the needle off the 45. I later
learned how illegal Hitler crap was in Berlin. Well, no shit..
Years later when "Everybody Hates You" came out on
a German label, I always wondered if there was a connection.
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State University "Cauldron"
March 8, 1979
The Pagans are Panacea for Punkoids
by Tony
Morgan
It's four
o'clock in the morning, and the Pagans are pissed off.
"Chicago
is a great city," lead singer Mike Husdon tells me as
our train inches through a steady drizzle into the South Canal
passenger station, "but we've been playing at home every
night for the past week, and we really thought we'd get to
rest for a couple days before going on the road."
I nod
sympathetically and glance over to the nearby seats, where
the other band members, unable to sleep, squirm in various
degrees of restlessness. There's Hudson himself, prim and
dapper as ever in his usual white plastic-rimmed punk sunglasses,
gold-and-black smoking jacket, and staight leg jeans; guitarist
Tommy Metoff, who allegedly has never smiled once in his entire
life; tall, lanky bass player Tim Allee; and Brian Morgan,
one of the most crazed drummers in all of punk rock.
Manager
Johnny Dromette, bundled up in a gray and white fur coat,
comes down from the front of the car and preceeds his charges
off the train. He waves away a contingent of local fans, most
of them female, who've gathered in the pre-dawn rain to welcome
their Cleveland faves.
"No
pictures, please," says Dromette, as someone whips out
an SLR upon which is mounted a flash gun the size of a cigar
box. "The Pagans are very tired; please, no pictures."
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Now, see,
what I've just done is demonstrate the power of well-executed
(ahem) rock journalism. Most of you are probably on the edge
of your seats, wondering what the Pagans did to Chicago. Well,
they didn't do anything on this particular trip, because they
never went. The above scene was how it would've gone, except
that another band that was supposed to play pulled out, causing
the whole gig to fall through, along with most of the riffs
I was gonna use for this article.
In fact,
many of my efforts to hang around with the Pagans and thereby
interview them have been frustrated by circumstance. Before
concerts they're busy psyching themselves up; afterwards they're
too worn out. Finally, though, the group and I met at Hideo's
Discodrome (the most well-known new wave nerve center/record
store in northeastern Ohio) after closing time to shoot the
proverbial breeze.
The Pagans
are one of Cleveland's most impressive success stories. In
a little more than a year, they have clawed their way to the
top of this area's "second wave" of new music bands.
Hard core fans now speak in awed tones of "Paganmania"
(a very real phenomenon if you've ever been to one of their
concerts). It has become de rigeur for the fashionable punk
rocker to be "seen" in the general area of Mike
Hudson and Co. as they hold court before their show at a dimly
lit corner table (with Johnny Dromette, as always, lurking
watchfully in the shadows).
But the
Pagans' rise to their present level of popularity can in no
way be termed meteoric. They accrued more than their share
of scars on their way up, as has virtually every new wave
band struggling to make a name for itself in a world ruled
by the creaky, bloated neo-fascists of dinosaur rock.
The original
Pagans, driven to action by the boredom then casting its clammy
shadow across their native Euclid, came together in July 1977.
Only three months later they cut their first tune, the liver-than-live
"Six and Change," which was released as a double
A-sided single on Neck Records.
"That
song wasn't exactly one of our better moments," explains
Hudson, doubtless referring to his own gut-sizzling two-chord
axemanship, which dominates, if not totally smothers, the
rhythm section and vocals (at the time, an aluminum siding
worker named Robert Conn was handling singing chores). Most
Pagan fans would agree that "Six and Change" is
a sloppy song at best, but many also maintain that even so,
in its own way the tune is every bit as vital and important
as some of those equally unprofessional Stooges demos.
In January
1978 the group's regular guitarist quit after a gig at the
Pirate's Cove, and Tommy Metoff was recruited to replace him.
Metoff's entrance
completed the evolution of what is now known in punk rock
circles as "the Pagan sound."
If forced
to describe this "sound" with a minimum of adjectival
spew, I would say that it is 1) heavy, 2) dense, and 3) fast.
Listening to the Pagans is a lot like getting bashed across
the skull with a lead pipe. For several days after one of
their concerts you go around saying "huh?" because
your ears are so decimated all you can hear is a painful,
high pitched whine that lingers like a bad hangover. But,
of course, you love it so much that the next time they play
you're right up there next to the P.A. again, screaming and
puking and getting drunk like all the other truly decadent
punkoids.
Anyway,
last March the Pagans came under the entrepreneurial wing
of Clevo new wave cult hero Johnny Dromette, who bought up
the "Six and Change" single and offered the band
his services as manager/producer. They accepted, and recorded
their second 45, "Street Where Nobody Lives" b/w
"What's This Shit Called Love?" that same month
on Dromette's own Drome label. In October it was released,
and the Pagans went back into the studio to lay down four
more tunes ("I, Juvenile;" "I Don't Understand;"
"Not Now, No Way;" and "Boy Can I Dance Good"),
this time with David Thomas of Pere Ubu producing.
Before
their formation and later, during their rise to the top, the
Pagans kept a close eye on Cleveland's new wave scene and
the music industry's reaction to it. They've been considerably
less than pleased with what they've seen.
"It
kills me how Cleveland radio handled Devo," Hudson says.
"They ignored them until the last possible moment, and
now that they see Devo will be big whether they help or not,
they jump on the bandwagon. About the only radio station here
worth listening to is WRUW, which has supported us and other
local new wave bands from the beginning."
The response
of some bands to what they see as music industry closed-mindedness
has been to "buddy up" to the "system."
When I point this out, Hudson laughs.
"Not
the Pagans, man," he says. "We'd like to see the
entire rock establishment in this city destroyed. And if enough
people, like Devo and the Dead Boys, can make it without the
help of this establishment, it will be destroyed.
"Everybody
says punk is dead," he continues. "Actually, it's
never been better. There's Pere Ubu on Chrysalis, the Cramps
on Columbia; Devo, the Dead Boys...All these are Cleveland-Akron
area bands, but they've had to get out of Cleveland to make
it."
What about
the possibility of the Pagans having to leave?
We'd rather
not talk about that right now," Hudson says carefully.
"We've built up a pretty good following here, so let's
just wait a while and see how things turn out."
The Pagans
have also built up very dedicated followings in Minneapolis
and
Chicago, and the possibility that they may have to split to
one of these cities in order to survive as a musical unit
has cast a pall over Cleveland's new wave community, resulting
in an "enjoy them while we can" sort of fatalism.
As a final
note, I'd like to offer my own critic's appraisal of the Pagans.
The guys claim they're influenced by the Stones, the Velvet
Underground and the Animals. But I don't think they're giving
themselves enough credit. They may have inherited the spirit
and attitudes of these groups, but Mick Jagger, Lou Reed and
Eric Burdon have never conducted themselves onstage with the
spectacular pent-up paranoid fury of Mike Hudson. And, to
track down any precedents for that unique "Pagan sound,"
one would have to turn to biblical descriptions of the Apocalypse
itself. Rolling thunder. Gloom and doom. Throbbing machismo,
encased in black leather with the volume cranked up to ten.
The Pagans
are not urban, they are post urban. When the nuclear missiles
have all been launched and human civilization reduced to slag,
the Pagans will be the only band left, standing waist-deep
in corpses to whip up "I, Juvenile" amid the rubble
of our cities. I'll be right there, slamming my forehead into
Tommy's amp, blood streaming from my ear-holes, bellowing
out the words to each and every song. Will you?
(Author's
note: This is the "lost" Pagans article that I wrote
in November 1978 for Scene Magazine. I intended for it to
be the "breakthrough" article that would bring the
band to the attention of a much wider audience, but the powers
that be filed it away without comment. I eventually took it
to the Cauldron, a student paper at Cleveland State University,
to which I was a frequent contributor.)
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I
was thrown off the safety patrol in sixth grade, for using excessive
force on a kid changing in one of the lavatory stalls.
I'd lobbed a sneaker at him, after he'd tossed it out the door,
protesting my verbal abuse, as he was late for class.
It was
fine to stand around before homeroom, saying "single
file" or "against the wall" in a surly mantra.
We'd been chosen, after all, because we were precocious, the
leaders. It was our job to boss the other kids around, especially
the younger ones. If they sassed us, we checked them off for
a "violation." We kept small notebooks in our pockets
for this.
We wore
a silver badge, just like a junior cop, but it was on an orange
harness , a kind of sash. The orange, under car headlights
in the early morning hours, would show the crossing guards,
working the main streets in the snow and rain. The hall guards,
we'd just come in early, hang out; amuse ourselves with activities
like throwing tiny superballs around the gym. The balls, inevitably,
would end up somewhere behind the polished wooden stage, subdued
by the plush curtain, cornered by some 2X4s or a stray theatre
prop. We would carry them in a pants pocket and bring them
out when we got to school. If you didn't have one, you could
usually rummage around backstage, until you found one where
it had bounced the day before. . . stuck in a corner, or under
an overstuffed chair.
We were
on the safety patrol, of course, to let the students know
that somebody, even one of their own, was always watching
them. We were narcs, before anyone used drugs. We were the
collaborators. Norway had its Quislings; Wickliffe had hall
guards.
"Turn
in in your badge", was all Mister Davis said when I entered
his tiny office, strewn about with weights and equipment.
The captain of the safety patrol, phys ed teacher, never without
his aviator shades. Real tough-talkin' guy, wiry, muscular,
hair slicked straight back. I felt disgraced merely by his
curtness, as was intended. No longer worthy of his time, even
for a lecture, I wasn't one of his boys anymore. On the outside.
From then
on, the role of outsider beckoned to me. The loners in Jack
London books, the misfits in space operas; soon, a growing
alienation would allow Sisyphus and Kierkegaard into my world.
(Randall Vogt)
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in
my classical piano lessons given at the former lakefront home
of buffalo bill's cousin, i requested the spinster allow me
one beatles song per week. losing interest, i soon quit. bought
my first two vinyl records: the best of the who, and sabbath's
paranoid.
down at the end of the street, there was a stand of woods, where
i had bottle-rocket wars and learned to smoke.
a guy in the neighborhood, a promising wrestler though he would
turn beet red in his obvious addiction after every match, was
the one who introduced me to this first drug. this was the pagans'
drummer.
though i never saw a pagans show, i heard somewhere that brian
had gone to new york city after forming a punk band. during
their heyday, i was at university in the hills of southern ohio,
though i was listening to devo, clash, pistols, and talking
heads. if the pagans came to athens i would have seem them.
in seventh grade, i walked home from the bus stop and heard
the band playing in their mom's cellar, the same song, every
day. it was presumably one of the first songs they learned,
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The
one time I can remember going to a Pagans show it was a riot.
It was Disatodrome3 at the old WHK auditorium on Euclid ave.
Me and Gene had been drinking beer all evening and smoking
too! (controlled substance). He had ordered some black capsules
through an ad in the back of Rolling Stone magazine that were
loaded with caffeine designed to keep the users alert. We
sat through Chi Pig,a band from Akron with two chicks and
a boy drummer, and Bernie and the Invisibles (a lone guy playing
electric guitar; I had thought then I had gotten the joke)
among others. Perhaps exacerbated by the sunglasses I was
wearing that night, in an effort to look "Punk",
and by the ingestation of the cheap "drugs", at
some point I passed out. When I finally came to I asked Gene
if the Pagans had played yet. He said yes and it was really
cool because there was a riot. I had slept through the best
part of the show!
Lenny Hoffman
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